him. I'm testing new Warsaw restaurants. Unfortunately, they disappoint.And once it seems that it's nice to agree to the interview properlya matter of minutes, he says that books about the PRL are completely hopeless.- I don't even read them because I'm just nervous. Those who alonethey remember lying down. Young people who write, write from these memories. Orfrom old newspapers. And in the newspapers there was no word of truth then.- And what should they do if those who remember do not want to tell? -butting.- Well, what would I say? I didn't do anything interesting - he says,not at all to ask her more, but to make me finallyunfastened.However, about a year after the first conversation, he invited me toeach other. Coffee and cake are very pleasant. I watch her collectionpre-war telephones: wherever he talks - ondesk, in the kitchen, in the hallway, even in the bathroom - is different. all chatabout the grandfather's portrait and Nikifor's graphics. A little about old Chałupy - it wasthere with Tyrmand, before the whole Warsaw company began to ride,then she whispered a word to Zosia Łapicka, Andrzej's wife, and it went ... Fashionin PRL ? But what will you write? You were dead then, and people make it up, evennot by ill will, just memory is unfortunately one of those things that aresuck, no, it doesn't make sense ... So, about mom, dad, how she spendsvacation with Robert. Anyway, look what beautiful jewelry he makesmade of titanium ...Visual artist Robert Kulesza is her second husband, they met at the beginning of the yearseventies and actually do not part.- But how was it that you managed to defeat this bureaucratic apparatusunions and distributors? Although with two anecdotes, let it not be that notI tried.- No, I won't tell you, it must stay for me."She is from Konwicki's school," says Zuzanna Łapicka. - Longis silent, and when he says something, it's point and very fun. She should be a writer.She often says that she would be best for a saleswomanor editor, reportedly editing some of Tyrmand's books. Tyrmand,

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